On The Floor: Conquering Leadville with Danielle Pellicano

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Hey everyone, welcome back to Exploring Health Macro to Micro.

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I'm your host, Parker Condit.

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If you're watching, you can probably already tell this is a slightly different format already, because we're not in the normal studio and Danielle Pelicano is here live in person, so this is going to be another on the floor, but we're actually going to do a race recap from a race we did this past weekend here in Leadville, colorado.

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And don't worry, I do have pants on Again without the context.

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It's a little deceiving there for a second.

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I do have shorts on Without the context of the video.

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That might be confusing, fair Anyway.

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So if you're listening just on audio, I suggest you watch this on YouTube.

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So, danielle, I think the easiest place to start is just describing where we are, what race we're doing and then, probably for people who don't know, explaining your sort of professional background to understand why we're sort of across the country racing in a remote area.

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Perfect.

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So Parker and I last season decided like we should have one race a year where we race each other.

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So I picked Leadville, thinking I would be an advantage because I've been staying in Aspen for the entire summer here country because it starts at 10,000 feet and it climbs all the way to about 13.1, or 13.2 is Mosquito Pass.

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So it is a gut-wrenching half, heavy half and full marathon that they offer this month and then each month they tack on bigger distances and then finishing off the season up here in Leadville with the 100 miler.

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So I say we go big or we go home, parker.

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So that's why I picked Leadville.

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Leadville was an interesting choice.

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I've run a half marathon up here before on the road.

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Very different experience, as we'll end up getting into.

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But can you just explain, like, what you do and why there's a bunch of us here in this house?

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Absolutely.

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So I'm a-time endurance coach.

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I've been coaching for the last 20 years now and Leadville has always been a pivotal race for most of my clientele, because my business originates out of Minnesota, which Lifetime originates out of, and this has always been a bucket list event and I built a lot of my endurance coaching around getting people ready for these runs and bike races.

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So for me, endurance coaching has always been my background.

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I roster about 30 athletes a year and I was excited to have Parker a part of us this team event this weekend and I think it really is a humbling event and I think you really grow as an athlete and person to do an event that's this challenging.

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So Danielle and I know each other from personal training and coaching back in Colorado, if people don't have that backstory already.

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But then we did a race.

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This is the second race that we've done against each other.

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The first one was in Las Vegas two years ago, half marathon.

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It was a fast race because it was downhill.

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Yes.

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And we didn't start at exactly the same time and I saw you at the very end of that race.

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So I was like, ooh, I knew she started before me and I thought you were like a minute or two in front of me, based on how far as we were coming up to the finish line.

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I was like it's going to be close when we check the timing chips and you beat me by like a minute Correct and seven seconds right, it was annoyingly close.

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So Danielle, had that hanging over my head for the past two years.

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Correct.

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So this was the second race in our sort of interpersonal series and going into this I was not particularly confident, just, I mean for a variety of reasons that we'll get into.

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But do you want to go to the results now?

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Oh, absolutely, um drum roll please.

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So I came in at 331 45 I think, and coach d came in at 337, which puts parker at a six minute lead on coach d.

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From the beginning and I only I think I clipped off one minute on my descent, but I knew he had it.

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When I saw him come down Mosquito Pass I looked at my watch and I'm like, okay, he's got 10 minutes on me right now.

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And then I started to fly down Mosquito Pass in what would be considered an unsafe descents to others around me but I felt really good about it.

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But yeah, we'll end up talking about the descent portion, but we got it.

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I mean you got to give a high five to Parker beating coach D at Leadville in what is one of the hardest races, and I have been at altitude for a month, so all of those factors are really impressive.

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So great job.

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Thank you, it was a I wanted to say it was a fun race.

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It wasn't, it was a very it was a fun race.

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It wasn't, it was a very.

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It was a very hard race.

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I'm so, I'm happy now that it's over A hundred percent.

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How do you feel today?

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Fine, Like I'm a little sore, but like wrecked yesterday.

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Wrecked Absolutely wrecked.

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I can contest that I saw it.

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So the race was challenging, to say the least.

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Um going into it knowing that it was going to be at elevation, I wanted to do a race recap for this video, just because there were so many variables.

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So I was training in Phoenix, which is about a thousand feet of elevation.

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It's very hot there at this point, so the elevation was going to be a big variable.

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And the fact that there's less oxygen for you here and there's really not a great way to train for that unless you're at elevation, so that was going to be a huge variable.

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And then also it's the end of June, which is very hot in Phoenix, so my ability to train just tapered off so hard over the past month.

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Yes.

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I peaked like in the middle of May probably.

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I can see that.

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So that was one of the big challenges.

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I ruminated about this all night.

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Don't worry on these training practices, because I, too, lived in Scottsdale the last time I did this race, which I think was 2019.

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And I remember being at my most fit as a runner, living there, and I had to think about it from the perspective of lots of things.

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So, when you live at altitude, you're clearly at an advantage.

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You just have had time to acclimate, you're used to that feeling of less oxygen period.

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I will say, though this is what I was ruminating about last night Arizona is a prime state to train as a runner, and I was thinking about this when we were coming down Mosquito Pass, which is extremely bouldery rock, loose rock, sharp rock and all I thought about was like Gateway Trail right.

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I realized you can run in Arizona and add miles of that type of training pretty easily, like in a positive way.

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The heat is actually what studies have shown to be the only way you could stress the body to let people feel what it could be like to be at altitude, so that training ground was actually ideal, whereas, being up here so I'm in Aspen most of my runs were at eight, 9,000 feet, but everything is immediately up, so you become very proficient at power walking, which helped at Mosquito Pass.

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We should do a shot every time I say Mosquito Pass, okay, parker.

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Recording at 8 am.

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I mean it's only 8 am.

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I mean, come on, but anyways, why I say that is?

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That is the difference, I think, of understanding.

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I've been living here.

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You are able to push a very good fast power walking pace, which actually was even better than jogging or trying to jog, but you can't mimic terrain.

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So I think, to be fair, arizona actually speaks more to the landscape of Leadville Colorado than some of the lower valley.

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That was just an observation I made yesterday.

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Yeah, I did as little prep and research into this.

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I think that was a good into this course as possible yeah I.

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I don't think I could have done that race with any prior knowledge of how hard it was going to be.

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Like I went into a with pure ignorance and I thought it was going to be.

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I knew it was a trail race yes I thought it was going to be all like uh, like jeep trails and like dirt roads I told parker there was no elevation gain and don't worry about it, you don't need any hill training, you'll be fine.

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So I was training gateway in arizona, which is incredibly bouldery, yes, um, and like that type of running for me.

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It just takes so much out of my legs.

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So I'm just getting crushed in 100 degree weather, basically walking the whole time and like that never feels good from like a oh, am I really pushing performance Cause I'm just walking the whole time?

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Yeah, but I'm like, oh well, at least it's going to be like a smoother trail.

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I'm like I'm going to pick up time there.

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It's not going to be as hot.

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And then we get here.

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The first two and a half miles is like a smooth Jeep trail road and then it's not.

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Yes.

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For the rest of it.

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And I remember saying this I kind of just blackout races I've done in the past A I'm usually not a repeat offender because there's so much I want to see and do that.

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Leadville is probably the only home base that I've done it multiple times.

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Their events up here A I love to support them, them be.

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It's just an awesome training ground.

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But yesterday, I kid you not, I do not recall Mosquito Pass being that long I literally kept looking up and I'm like, are those people?

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I'm like this is a lot farther than I remember and that can.

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It was just.

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It was a slow march for everybody and whoever could keep the most consistent march probably had the best race yesterday.

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And I also feel, because we talked about this, I used this race with when Scott and us were discussing it yesterday.

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For any of you who have done Schwamm again, I always use this as a reference.

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It's a mountain bike race but it starts in Rosie's Field, so it's a big rollout on a grass knoll but you all bottleneck to a trailhead.

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I feel like that would be my coaching tip takeaway yesterday was, if you could grind out those first three miles and create your position, you pretty much solidified where you were going to stay in that race.

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Obviously I didn't know that yesterday, but today, as I think back, even because we were pushing it in the beginning like we were together oh, I love this too, by the way.

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Everybody I told like a mile, it was a mile and a half.

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Michael parker, I think we should at this point, we should stay together at a mile and a half.

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And he was.

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Well, why don't we just see how things play out?

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And?

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And I'm like nice, of course.

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And then, after like the second mile, this little spread started and so now I'm behind him and anytime he would pick it up a little bit, I'd pick it up a little bit, and then when he would stop, I'd try to go like five more seconds.

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Then I would power walk behind him and I was like this strategy is totally going to work.

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And then the descent happened, and then it was another power, and then I saw it kind of not working anymore and that lead was starting to build.

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And then at mosquito pass, I never saw you again till you were coming down, and then I had no gauge which worked to my advantage.

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It works both ways if someone's the lead or the tail For me.

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I'm like you cannot stop, like I wanted to, a few times, like for real I was feeling very lightheaded.

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I'm like no, no, every little step matters here, because Parker might be like doubled over up top.

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I have no idea.

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Yeah, a few times.

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Until I see you come down is when I stare at my watch.

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But I still had no idea that around the bend there was still another push, so that at that point it was a 10 minute gap at mile 7.5.

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Yeah.

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And so I got I closed four minutes on you, but that was it.

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Yeah, I was really proud of you.

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I think I saw you one more time.

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I said that last night, but I was trying to eagle eye your compression socks.

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I'm like, is that him?

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But I couldn't confirm it, so I just stayed where I was at and it was good.

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Yeah, so early on the race we were sort of yo-yoing back and forth and I didn't think that was going to be a good strategy for me.

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Yeah, Just like kind of following you.

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Of course not.

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I did it for my own.

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I want to tether you to me for a minute.

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No, not for any reason other than like, like, that way, like then, you're not running your own race For sure.

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And I wouldn't.

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And what's great, was anyone listening to us that I've coached are like you guys.

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I could tell Parker had it in him and I was like, ooh, I'm going to try to hold this guy back as long as possible.

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I was regretting how hard I went once we got to Mosquito Pass.

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No, that was what did it for you.

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Yeah, so to give people listening an idea of what this is, it's a 7.7 mile out and back and then the first aid station is at like mile 4.5, 4.6, and then the next aid station is at the top.

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So you have about three miles between that aid station.

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So you just know that going to the top and you're like I've been walking so slow for over an hour and I still can't see the top.

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I know, and like then you're climbing, you're climbing through elevation, like you you mentioned it a few times like how, not lightheaded, but this is the first time I felt that way.

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I'm going to be honest I it was a true lightheaded, almost euphoric state where I'm like I didn't feel like I needed to stop, but I was almost like stepping laterally, like I felt a little off.

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Let's put it that way.

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Did you stop at all?

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Yes, oh yeah, I stopped many times.

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I mean, I had yeah, I told you I I, my resting position is my hands on my knees, and you never, by the way, want that to be your resting position, cause everyone will walk by and be like do you need a medic?

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You, okay, you doing all right.

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I'm like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm great.

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I'm like what's the point of resting if you can't put your hands on your knees for a second?

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Kids Happened every time, though, so it was a good buffer again to get me to keep moving and not to do that.

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And again, not easy terrain to walk up, so steep and really uneven footing.

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Yes, no, it's unforgiving, and we were talking about this yesterday.

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I think trail running in general requires a very strong body.

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You need to train in the element.

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It curbs so many runners because that descent on Mosquito Pass, for example, every stabilizer in your body is working for a solid 30 minutes.

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That's a long time, and then they gift you with a real flatness, which then your calves usually seize up or your quads.

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After bounding gingerly down mosquito pass.

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It is jarring on the body and that was the word I would use where it is taxing.

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It is not for everyone.

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You need to train descending often to do well at trail running.

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In my opinion, you could tiptoe it down, but the descent needs to be where.

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It's the only thing that makes me realize I still enjoy it.

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I'm like there has to be some enjoyment here.

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Oh good, we're going to run down all of this.

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Fantastic, that is a very rare mentality.

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I think most are like wow, this is really treacherous.

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I have to watch my footing.

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People were still using their poles on the way down and that's great too, but that's a long day.

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Then I just look at it that way.

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I'm like if you're not able to kind of pick up your gate and look at that as free speed, that's a long day.

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That would make most of that race unrunnable.

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Then, if you think about it, and for somebody who's never done like a long trail run or trail race like this, I I've only ever run road races, pretty much where it's like you will maybe walk, or I've done like spartan races where there's a little bit of walking involved.

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Yes, I probably walked for two hours yesterday of a three and a half hour race.

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I probably walked for two hours, if not more.

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Absolutely, absolutely.

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That's weird to do and be like I'm doing well, walking way more than I'm running in a race in a running race.

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So here there was a woman oh, the woman we started with, that was on my left, that we were talking to, and she's like oh, I live here and we, you know, had probably a five minute conversation.

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She and I ended up together by mile 11.

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Ok, and she had one pace and I remember her saying like, because everyone will always be like good job, as I'm like blowing by them, but then I come to a dead Holt and power walk for 30 seconds, then I almost sprint and then I'll power walk for 30 seconds on this.

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When we got to like that 11th, 12th mile.

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Yeah.

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I just had to, because I went so hard down Mosquito Pass that my legs literally started to seize a little bit.

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That started to seize a little bit.

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That was lack of sodium or something, so I tried to pop a gel.

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But we'll get on to that.

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All of us had a poor nutrition day, meaning we were taking it in, but we were all nauseous.

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Yeah, and that is an.

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That is a.

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A it's.

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It happens most times, and not at this altitude.

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It's just challenging.

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So that seizing or that that depletion is almost a gamble, right so that's why I was doing that as my, and so this woman comes by and I was like, hey, she's like, oh, you're doing great.

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I'm like sorry, she's like I only have one speed and this is it.

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She never not lightly jogged, yep, the the rest of.

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I mean, I was watching, but what's interesting is I I probably beat her by five minutes yep just a give or take is going to be my guess, and that was with a fast run, dead halt walk.

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So everything's different.

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You know what I mean?

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There was no formula for yesterday or in that type of race in general, so it's whatever works for you, where you're just being mindful that you're staying on some type of consistency.

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So if you're like I'm going to do that, then your splits need to be like that, like I would never let myself walk for longer than 30 seconds, and that felt long actually, but my heart rate would come down just enough, which is usually 10 beats where I'm like cool, even if that felt more mental than physical.

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I'm like great, you could be running again.

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Go yeah.

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The other thing that was interesting again, the ignorance of going into this.

00:17:24.599 --> 00:17:25.392
I think you were that ignorant.

00:17:25.412 --> 00:17:35.459
I genuinely didn't want to tell you anything because it was a step up for coach d yeah no, it was uh well, I'm glad you did it, because I wouldn't have done it if I would have been like.

00:17:35.480 --> 00:17:38.306
Oh, partners is the hardest wars race in the country.

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Come join me, please.

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I was just doing math.

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I was like, okay, there's 3 000 feet of elevation gain over seven and a half miles.

00:17:44.625 --> 00:17:52.066
Yes, I'm like there's going to be some ups, there's going to be some downs, but 3 000 feet over seven, over seven miles, I'm like it can't be that aggressive.

00:17:52.666 --> 00:18:03.483
It was so aggressive so no, I, I know we came out, we come around a bend and and all like, we're all like looking and we're like I'm like, oh, like those are people still.

00:18:03.483 --> 00:18:20.969
Yep, like I thought the, I thought the summit was where I thought it was and when I realized it wasn't, it was a bit soul crushing because I did the math and I'm like, if that's wrapping around and those little ants are people that I see, I have at least another half hour and it was easily and I was like wow.

00:18:21.961 --> 00:18:26.131
Yeah, I was doing the math not on time because I was like I didn't look at my watch a lot.

00:18:26.131 --> 00:18:30.471
No, you shouldn't, but I just knew, like you, you, you feel it buzz.

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So I was like, all right, I knew I'm at mile six and I'm like, oh, so another.

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Yeah, and I'm like that's it.

00:18:43.511 --> 00:18:43.932
Another 1.7.

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At this pace I'm like you know, every 30 seconds.

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I was stopping.

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Yes.

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Yeah, Cause you just not like a steep edge, but you'd kind of step off to the side so people can walk past you and you're like I could fall over.

00:18:54.299 --> 00:18:56.428
I wish there would've been like a halo of light over where you were.

00:18:56.428 --> 00:18:58.066
It would've been very helpful for me.

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Yeah, I'm stop here.

00:19:00.510 --> 00:19:11.757
Just push through this discomfort for another three minutes and you're going to close the gap another minute on him, so I'm just messing around uh, do you want to go over anything else on, like the the race details?

00:19:12.797 --> 00:19:16.142
they might come up kind of throughout as we talk about nutrition and stuff like that.

00:19:16.182 --> 00:19:21.271
No, let's just shoot another question off all right, uh, let's talk about fueling.

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Uh, pre, during and post.

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Yeah, I think I failed on.

00:19:25.907 --> 00:19:27.131
Definitely post those are not the right words.

00:19:27.131 --> 00:19:28.373
Nope, Nope.

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This is not a race.

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That is unless you have been able to come up here and do a true training run.

00:19:38.794 --> 00:19:39.635
Nope, not even a week.

00:19:39.635 --> 00:19:51.996
If you could have come up here at this altitude and put in an eight mile effort, out back four miles and got to play around with that, felt like you probably could have dialed in what was going to be settling to your stomach more.

00:19:51.996 --> 00:19:56.183
What we also have to preface because this is such a bigger conversation.

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All of you guys came in from Minnesota the night before, so half the group was Minnesota.

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You were Arizona Flatland, flat seal Not here, Correct.

00:20:07.162 --> 00:20:07.865
That is not wrong.

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This is something where coaches all have their own opinion.

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If you could be up here a week prior, great.

00:20:12.685 --> 00:20:13.788
Most can't do that.

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So I never let that be a factor that you can't do the race.

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You're better off flying in just a day before.

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It's always worked for all of us.

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It worked yesterday as well.

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However, you probably all came in a little dehydrated.

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It's just a fact with travel and maybe you don't think to drink as much the altitude and how you can digest calories is just going to be what it's going to be.

00:20:36.119 --> 00:20:40.686
That day, because we all struggled, we didn't switch anything.

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But I was very mindful the day before, where I was crushing electrolytes more than I usually do, but to the point where I felt like I wasn't going to the bathroom all the time.

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It didn't feel like I was just peeing out all of what I'm trying to keep in, to be fair, but I was really mindful that I was getting at least a hundred ounces that day where every other bottle had electrolytes.

00:21:01.662 --> 00:21:12.728
I ate frequently on Friday, smaller meals and was two days out really focusing on good carbs and fat, but that's a fuel source that works for me.

00:21:12.728 --> 00:21:22.406
The day of I woke up, I saw you and you started your feeding window three hours before the start time, which was very smart.

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Actually, I don't know if it's because of what we had the night before, which was chicken, rice, veggie or a salad like all good choices.

00:21:30.585 --> 00:21:32.286
Oh, nothing I wouldn't have normally done.

00:21:32.625 --> 00:21:40.510
I just felt so bloated and full the next day that for me I like barely got down those eggs that you made.

00:21:40.510 --> 00:21:46.335
And then I had a banana an hour out with some peanut butter and I still was like, ooh, I don't feel awesome.

00:21:46.335 --> 00:21:56.631
Started having some hydration scratch in a bottle an hour out from the race and I felt light and good at the start, to be fair, and it was fine.

00:21:56.631 --> 00:22:02.497
I just think that's something where you can only do your best to try to get in what you can, but you can't.

00:22:02.497 --> 00:22:12.009
You have to force it a little, and yesterday felt forced the whole race and that is abnormal for me personally and it seemed to be what all of us experienced.

00:22:12.319 --> 00:22:14.027
How many calories do you think you took in during the race?

00:22:15.101 --> 00:22:18.852
I filled my bladder with 50 ounces.

00:22:18.852 --> 00:22:24.490
I emptied that thing at the end of yesterday and I still had like 15 to 20 ounces in it.

00:22:24.785 --> 00:22:29.689
So, I probably only did 30 ounces, which is terrible, um, and I felt like I was drinking a lot.

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I had 200 calories in that.

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And I really like Morton gels.

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They work for me.

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It's the gelatin of those gels really work, especially at high altitude like that, because you're not, it's not syrupy, it just goes down.

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They're a hit or miss for people, but the ones that really like them, we love them.

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I had that at the 40 minute mark and then I was still feeling weird, so then I had another one like at 35 minutes in there and then I just had bananas.

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The rest of that race, did you bring bananas?

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with you.

00:23:00.826 --> 00:23:01.826
No, I just.

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I thought, uh, plug for Leadville.

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Their aid stations were fantastic, those were deep in all the things.

00:23:09.930 --> 00:23:12.820
So that is very rare, so that was awesome that.

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And they did a good job letting you know what was going to be there.

00:23:14.868 --> 00:23:16.226
So that helps with planning.

00:23:16.226 --> 00:23:23.531
Um, but I think my limiting factor yesterday was actually hydration and then mosquito pass ran out of water.

00:23:23.531 --> 00:23:24.974
That's okay, it happens.

00:23:31.960 --> 00:23:33.586
Um, so you couldn't even do that if you wanted to at the top.

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Luckily I had.

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I probably had eight ounces left.

00:23:35.451 --> 00:23:37.398
Yeah, so I knew, and it was a descent, so I knew it was all downhill yeah.

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So I was like I've got something to get down to the next aid station, but but I was really.

00:23:41.964 --> 00:23:43.926
I was really looking forward to getting some water.

00:23:44.228 --> 00:23:53.644
Yeah, um, so I probably one, two, three under 400 calories yesterday for three and a half hour effort, which I probably should have been at.

00:23:53.685 --> 00:23:55.289
Six is my guess.

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Um, I don't think it played a total role in my performance.

00:24:00.163 --> 00:24:18.424
To be fair, I think I was topping off just enough to be okay, yeah, but I never felt like it was like a nitro boost, which'll be honest with you, usually I'll hit a morton's and I'm like 10 minutes in after doing it, I'm like I, I just you feel it almost I, I didn't feel any of that yeah, I carried 700 calories with me.

00:24:18.506 --> 00:24:23.983
Yes, took in four which is, and we said, you should have done six when we started, when we talked in the morning.

00:24:23.983 --> 00:24:25.528
So so you did, you did well.

00:24:25.961 --> 00:24:29.804
But like again, all of it was forced Correct, it was just like at certain time intervals.

00:24:29.804 --> 00:24:33.031
It's like I I know I haven't consumed anything for a while.

00:24:33.112 --> 00:24:33.271
Yes.

00:24:33.840 --> 00:24:35.045
My body probably needs something.

00:24:35.045 --> 00:24:37.502
It felt horrible, yep, every single time.

00:24:37.502 --> 00:24:50.461
Like the gels I did goo gels, yes, just going in.

00:24:50.480 --> 00:24:52.365
That's when I probably drank most of my water, just so I could like correct them down.

00:24:52.365 --> 00:24:55.134
Um, and then I did have a piece of bacon and normally I'd be like I mean, that'd be like giving coach d like a t-bone steak.

00:24:55.134 --> 00:24:55.634
I'd be like, yes, I that.

00:24:55.634 --> 00:24:56.116
That's how unwell.

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I felt like nothing sounded good yeah and the guy's like bacon, peanut butter, jelly sandwich, tortilla wrap.

00:25:01.763 --> 00:25:03.405
I'm like I'll take a piece of bacon.

00:25:03.405 --> 00:25:08.791
Still helps, but that was just like biting.

00:25:08.791 --> 00:25:11.634
It felt like chewing on jerky.

00:25:11.815 --> 00:25:13.797
I was like ah, I don't know.

00:25:13.797 --> 00:25:16.425
Yeah, I was striking out a little bit, but that's all good.

00:25:16.425 --> 00:25:18.872
My but I never looked depleted like.

00:25:18.872 --> 00:25:32.993
This is us giving you like the internals of how we felt, but from an external perspective, and I'll post videos on my recap reel we looked damn good coming down mosquito pass, like at miles eight, nine, ten, like we had a solid race.

00:25:32.993 --> 00:25:41.601
We crossed the finish line strong, like I never felt like I appeared slow or like today's, not the day.

00:25:41.601 --> 00:25:45.009
I, internally, though, felt like like this is real hard.

00:25:45.009 --> 00:25:49.188
That was in and I expected it, so, yep, no, I think we did great.

00:25:49.628 --> 00:25:50.872
I'm like going on mosquito pass.

00:25:50.872 --> 00:25:55.852
I'm like if there were a reasonable way to stop right now, I would, but it's like it's just the entire way back.

00:25:55.852 --> 00:25:59.095
So I'm like you might as well just go up and just go back down because that view was.

00:25:59.798 --> 00:26:00.601
No one's gonna see that view.

00:26:00.601 --> 00:26:01.363
It was beautiful.

00:26:01.482 --> 00:26:03.428
I, that's what I was trying to focus on the whole time.

00:26:03.428 --> 00:26:05.813
I'm like I feel horrible, but what a pretty view.

00:26:06.595 --> 00:26:10.001
I'll say it's been unseasonable weather across the country this summer.

00:26:10.001 --> 00:26:16.223
This day yesterday for Leadville was one of the prettiest days I have ever raced up here.

00:26:16.223 --> 00:26:19.051
The temperature at the start was awesome.

00:26:19.795 --> 00:26:31.029
It was cloud coverage when you needed it for three, four miles to get the sun to peek out as you are ascending mosquito pass, to have that view of that valley is unbelievable.

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I've never seen it like that.

00:26:32.280 --> 00:26:36.413
So those things do carry you through a race.

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They just they have to yep for sure.

00:26:38.578 --> 00:26:40.965
Because people ask us all the time like why would you like?

00:26:40.965 --> 00:26:41.867
Where's the why?

00:26:41.867 --> 00:26:43.401
Where do you find the joy in these things?

00:26:43.401 --> 00:26:45.028
I'm like, I always find the joy in them.

00:26:45.028 --> 00:26:47.707
You know, what really makes me happy is when we wake up the next day.

00:26:47.707 --> 00:26:50.279
I'm like, oh, I feel good, like if I was like Parker.

00:26:50.279 --> 00:26:51.401
We're going to do a three mile shakeout.

00:26:51.401 --> 00:26:53.721
You bet Cool, I could run today, 1000%.

00:26:53.721 --> 00:26:57.343
I don't want to, but Well, me, neither I.

00:26:59.844 --> 00:27:02.444
I'll say, on the fueling side I ate a lot.

00:27:02.444 --> 00:27:05.506
I had two bagels, so that was 500.

00:27:05.506 --> 00:27:06.807
Some calories In the morning, yeah.

00:27:06.807 --> 00:27:08.807
With butter, so it was probably close to 700.

00:27:08.807 --> 00:27:10.867
And then two bananas and some eggs.

00:27:11.509 --> 00:27:12.068
So I probably killed it.

00:27:12.088 --> 00:27:16.631
So I probably close to a thousand calories, yeah, yeah, but like bigger body.

00:27:16.631 --> 00:27:24.777
So I know I need it and that's the one thing I did find, because I've never I've never run seriously enough to like take my nutrition that seriously.

00:27:24.777 --> 00:27:37.746
But I had to start doing it this year, training for this earlier on, like going out for those long runs where I was like, oh, if I actually have a bagel and a banana before I run, I feel a lot better Of course, and I think we also have complicated things.

00:27:38.066 --> 00:27:38.566
Let's be real.

00:27:38.566 --> 00:27:40.948
You find foods that fuel you.

00:27:40.948 --> 00:27:46.018
You try to make good choices, Like when you walked in with like your textbook white bagels.

00:27:46.018 --> 00:27:47.682
I was like they're not gluten free.

00:27:47.682 --> 00:27:50.893
What is going?

00:27:51.054 --> 00:27:51.454
on here.

00:27:51.555 --> 00:27:52.557
Kidding Like, are you joking?

00:27:52.557 --> 00:27:53.180
I have one this morning.

00:27:53.180 --> 00:27:56.597
I'm like delicious, it's substance period.

00:27:56.597 --> 00:28:23.792
And as a coach, because we've complicated it and I'm not saying all of these newer studies aren't great, everything like more elite conversation, but you have a running goal, a weight you like to be at when you feel your best.

00:28:23.792 --> 00:28:25.259
That's where numbers matter.

00:28:25.560 --> 00:28:26.484
The source of your food.

00:28:26.484 --> 00:28:37.233
We, as coaches, always try to encourage you to choose smart foods, but I give my people a lot of autonomy there because A I'm not going to meal plan for you because everyone has become very fickle in what they can have.

00:28:37.233 --> 00:28:45.726
And I'll be honest, right, it matters that you understand what you require and that is a huge part of your training.

00:28:45.726 --> 00:28:52.472
You need to be mindful of it.

00:28:52.472 --> 00:28:52.954
You need to practice it.

00:28:52.954 --> 00:28:56.692
So the biggest thing I think with my runners is like when you go out and do your longer runs on the weekend, you need to practice how you're going to play.

00:28:56.692 --> 00:28:57.739
You need to purchase your nutrition.

00:28:57.739 --> 00:28:58.865
You need to practice how you're going to play.

00:28:58.865 --> 00:28:59.710
You need to purchase your nutrition.

00:28:59.710 --> 00:29:04.219
You need to practice your nutrition, even if you're like, oh, but this is a short run, I'm only out here two hours.

00:29:04.509 --> 00:29:11.277
Anything that exceeds 45 minutes needs to start having a caloric intake replenishment and you need to start working on those things.

00:29:11.277 --> 00:29:16.717
And if you're someone that cramps all the time, like you can't, it's not going to fix itself as you get closer to race day.

00:29:16.717 --> 00:29:22.839
So those things should be, and need to be, dialed in well before that race comes to.

00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:30.122
That's why yesterday was surprising to all of us because we were all on those things but all of us were just the altitude kind of one.

00:29:30.122 --> 00:29:31.313
I think it was really hot.

00:29:31.313 --> 00:29:31.814
This was a.

00:29:31.814 --> 00:29:33.400
This was hot for Leadville.

00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:41.298
It finished hot Um, to be in and for for Scott and the guys that did the marathon to be in full sun for the majority of that race.

00:29:41.979 --> 00:29:43.181
That is where hydration.

00:29:43.181 --> 00:29:46.755
I don't even know if you could have stayed ahead, but everyone looked good.

00:29:46.755 --> 00:29:51.340
I never saw a lot of people out there that were really struggling.

00:29:51.340 --> 00:29:52.695
No, I didn't see any carnage?

00:29:52.936 --> 00:29:54.765
No, which is surprising.

00:29:54.945 --> 00:29:55.789
For that race, for sure.

00:29:56.049 --> 00:30:01.063
I mean, I guess it probably self-selects a certain type of athlete to this race.

00:30:01.371 --> 00:30:04.259
I remember we're in the corral about to start and I look at Parker.

00:30:04.259 --> 00:30:07.559
I'm like these are my people and I do.

00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:08.020
I mean it.

00:30:08.020 --> 00:30:19.605
I look around like that energy is so different and so contagious that it makes me smile and it also calms me because you're like it.

00:30:19.605 --> 00:30:20.651
We're just a different breed.

00:30:20.651 --> 00:30:24.125
Like the amount of sacrifice you make to show up for things like this.

00:30:24.125 --> 00:30:27.515
Just from a training perspective, this is your vacation time.

00:30:27.515 --> 00:30:28.857
It's a funky town.

00:30:28.857 --> 00:30:30.622
Let's be real, it is.

00:30:30.622 --> 00:30:31.403
It's just so.

00:30:31.509 --> 00:30:55.571
Everything about it's unique, but everyone is just, they're just cool people and it's just a really neat environment the whole weekend yeah, yeah, leadville is like an old mining town, right, correct, yeah, and it's like two hours from aspen, it's two hours from denver, it's like nothing's close to it no, no, very remote, it's awesome do you want to talk about your training leading up to this?

00:30:56.031 --> 00:31:02.061
yes, oh, you know what was, what was a real win.

00:31:02.102 --> 00:31:18.621

On The Floor: Conquering Leadville with Danielle Pellicano

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